in the extremely unlikely event that hillary clinton did not run for president, i think joe biden is firmly convinced that he should be and can be the democratic n iic nominee in 201 joe was probably like, hilary, god lover you, you don't want this job, it's too much pressure. >> and do you think she said, hey, did you see the most recent poll, if the election were today, 63% say they would pick hillary clinton, and 13% for joe biden, a very distant second. >> listen, that's very respectable. yo could say when obama got in the race in 2008, where was he? obviously, if hillary runs, but -- for a figure like biden that would not represent an outsider, it's almost impossible to see a path for him. >> van, last word to you. >> just want to say, i think biden has an amazing and awesome vice president, and people kick him around a lot because i think he is a nice guy and a great guy, but i don't think he is going to be president of the united states and i think hillary clinton will be, and i am sure that was the subject of any conversations that they had. >> maybe unspoken, though, and i b